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Poster: Aaron Ximm Date: Aug 5, 2013 4:12pm
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

Retrieval of Torrents is not the best solution for uploading unless you already have an existing mechanism for creating and seeding Torrents.

This capability is not intended as an alternative to our uploader. It merely enables the Archive to capture material already being distributed via BitTorrent.

Torrent retrieval by the Archive works like this:

If a valid .torrent file is uploaded (e.g. through our Uploader) into an item, when that item is derived, we will instantiate a BitTorrent client (Transmission) and attempt to retrieve the Torrent.

If the Torrent is successfully retrieved, its contents will be added to the item.

'Valid' in this case means, well-formed and seeded.

Our client will attempt to scrape any listed trackers to find seeding peers, but will also attempt to find peers via DHT and can fall back on Getright-style webseeding when possible.

The Torrent file itself is leeched only long enough to retrieve the file; we do not seed the Torrent after retrieval.

However, all items contents, including those retrieved through this method, are made available via the item's own Archive Torrent. (Because it contains additional contents, this Archive Torrent will, alas, have a different infohash from the original Torrent. So uploading a Torrent to the Archive does not make us a seeder of it.)

Bonus feature: if you have only a magnet link, and not a Torrent file, you can create a dummy .torrent file by pasting that magnet link into a text file and naming it foo.torrent.

If you upload this dummy Torrent file, we'll detect that you gave us a magnet link and take care of the rest.

This post was modified by Aaron Ximm on 2013-08-05 23:11:18

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Poster: ChrisJBrady Date: Aug 5, 2013 5:26pm
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

Thank you for your prompt and detailed reply. I have 12 DVDs of unique English folk dance footage to upload to the Archive. Each is 2.5 hours long. I shall convert the DVDs to 3 x MPG4 files each, as advised in the FAQs / other Forum threads. Therefore I will have the need of a reliable way of uploading these 36 files (plus descriptive text files) to a project area on Archive. I have tried FTP and various Flash / non-Flash uploaders to upload to other services, e.g. Mediafire, but have found the success of these to be commensurate with the stability of my web connection. The weakness of these uploading methods is that they require rock-steady and fast broadband connections - which I do not have. Any hiccup can render an upload corrupt and the need to start all over again from byte zero, because any such upload process is not restartable. Using torrents to upload is reliably restartable by definition - hence my original request for info.

This post was modified by ChrisJBrady on 2013-08-06 00:26:25

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Poster: Aaron Ximm Date: Aug 5, 2013 10:21pm
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

Hi Chris,

I see the challenge! In this case there's a bit of a chicken and egg it sounds like, in getting the files onto a server somewhere from which they can be 'seeded' for us (even if only for webseeding i.e. HTTP download by Torrent clients). Hmmm!

Is there an address I can contact you at to discuss this 'offline'?

-aaron

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Poster: ChrisJBrady Date: Aug 6, 2013 3:19am
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

Hello - thank you again for your response. My email address is chrisjbrady AT gmail DOT com This is not the one I use for subscribing to Archive.com though.

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Poster: loninappleton Date: Aug 31, 2013 8:57pm
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

I'm tagging along on this thread. Earlier I made an inquiry on how to do an upload.

The item in question is only seeded by me at TPB. Some details: the production company no longer exists. I do not know if they are holding or renewing copyright on the item. Originally it was found (by me anyway when first viewing) on a rental shelf in VHS at a video store.

The piece is called Signals Through The Flames (1983) on the work of The Living Theater which had a long history since the 60's and continues today under Judith Malina now in her 80's. The production company was Mystic Fire Video.

I have kept the torrent going since I have been doing torrenting after another seeder dropped it. My notes written in 2009 pick up there. It has been going about 5 or more years guess. As archive I think it's important to preserve this content. See notes for more detail.

As suggested, I'm including the link at TPB for the item:

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/4976711/Signals_Through_The_Flames__a_documentary_on_The_Living_Theater_

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Poster: ChrisJBrady Date: Sep 1, 2013 4:06am
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

I'm glad that you (and maybe others) are following this thread. However there is an important difference between what you are doing and what I am doing.

My project is to preserve 'for all time' *private* recordings of a specific type of folk dance genre. They are not subject to copyright - or if they are I hold what could be deemed to be the copyright. Performers were filmed on the understanding that their performances would then belong in the public domain. The recordings - about 16 in number - are two hours long - each. Its a big project.

However torrent uploading is not now the big issue for me due to the helpfulness of the Archive.org staff.

Having said all that I am still interested in the actual processes to upload via torrent(s) content to Archive.org

However anyone infringing copyright of commercially produced media, or even thinking of doing so, should be aware that the UK authorities (at least) - including a new £2.5 million funded electronic copyright infringement division of the UK Police - are tightening up big time on torrent sharing of files deemed to be under copyright. This may even include using torrents to upload / download files to/from Archive.org

Also many ISPs are blocking all torrent traffic, INCLUDING to/from Archive.org

Search the web for "thebox closing" for further info. This is the latest private tracking site to close down (voluntarily) but in real fear of future legal action if it continues.

Take care.

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Poster: loninappleton Date: Sep 1, 2013 10:53am
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

Chris,

My reply was really directed at kim who has been answering here. My inquiries are still open and unanswered about the specific item for which I gave a link.

My understanding of the torrent process from archive.org is that it works like any other index. What I don't understand is how uploads such as mine get submitted. If it's simply a redirect to a torrent site, all well and good.

The goal is to get this documentary archived for good and all where other site ups and downs (or those of my own system) will not affect researchers of theatre technique.

Will continue watching here for replies.

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Poster: ChrisJBrady Date: Sep 1, 2013 2:08pm
Forum: bittorrent Subject: Re: Uploading via Torrent - how please?

To: loninappleton

Email me privately to chrisjbrady AT gmail DOT com